1 00:00:22,599 --> 00:00:09,089 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:27,529 --> 00:00:25,669 it's a sunny day it's a big weekend of 3 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:27,539 science as people are sciencing all over 4 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:30,300 the place but who's this hello may not 5 00:00:36,350 --> 00:00:33,510 he hello we're outside a pub which is a 6 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:36,360 lovely pub with lovely food with people 7 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:38,550 giving great service but it's full of 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:41,129 rotten kids I don't like kids I'm afraid 9 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:43,290 I you all love your kids and I know you 10 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:45,120 do but I've never had kids and there's a 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:48,360 reason why because they annoy me may not 12 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:50,370 folks were at the Henson pub which is in 13 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:52,170 the suburb of marrickville having lunch 14 00:00:58,939 --> 00:00:54,600 some of the Australian skeptics and may 15 00:01:01,700 --> 00:00:58,949 not and and I are here to have a chat to 16 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:01,710 Lauren slow the comedian skeptic 17 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:03,960 Mentalist we saw last night yeah it's 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:06,030 just done season in Melbourne of course 19 00:01:09,380 --> 00:01:07,770 he's done a season here in Sydney he's 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:09,390 heading over to Perth and he might be 21 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:10,770 doing a few other national dates in the 22 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:13,320 near future yep and we'll find out soon 23 00:01:16,249 --> 00:01:14,729 as you're going to have a little chat 24 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:16,259 with him as part of the show this is the 25 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:19,710 skeptic Zone episode 392 hey on the 26 00:01:21,919 --> 00:01:20,759 weather report people like to get the 27 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:21,929 weather report off your we're standing 28 00:01:25,130 --> 00:01:23,310 outside the moment and we're not getting 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:25,140 wet that means it's not raining i guess 30 00:01:31,069 --> 00:01:27,570 and slightly overcast today it said what 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:31,079 about 22 degrees rather Pleasant yes and 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:32,490 the barometer is I don't know it's 33 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:34,770 busted it's busted coming up on this 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:36,360 week's oh you want to know what's coming 35 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:37,530 up on this week's show magic what's 36 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:38,640 coming up on the show this week going on 37 00:01:41,899 --> 00:01:40,170 this well we've got Lauren saloon of 38 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:41,909 course and interview another interview 39 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:43,350 with him and you'll be are asking those 40 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:45,990 hard-hitting questions yeah like I'm how 41 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:47,340 do you spell your last name that's a 42 00:01:51,139 --> 00:01:48,990 hard ending question we've also got 43 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:51,149 Heidi Roberts Heidi Robinson from the 44 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,770 Northern Rivers vaccination and our 45 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:54,960 reporter recently in the in the last 46 00:01:59,810 --> 00:01:57,630 week up in that area the hotbed of woo 47 00:02:01,940 --> 00:01:59,820 had their first skeptics in the pub 48 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:01,950 Heidi brought her microphone along and 49 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:03,990 we hear from first-time pub is at a new 50 00:02:08,509 --> 00:02:07,200 skeptics in the pub Wow III can that'll 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:08,519 be a hotbed of something in the future 52 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,929 as soon as all the groups come together 53 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:11,459 you know it's going to be boil that I 54 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:12,720 people turning up they're going you I 55 00:02:17,539 --> 00:02:15,750 don't like your people yes I do it I 56 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:17,549 predict that would be a fun evening in 57 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:19,440 months to come we'll have to send you up 58 00:02:22,490 --> 00:02:20,970 there I think mine are also on this 59 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:22,500 week's show we going to cover the story 60 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:24,329 which we brought you a few weeks ago 61 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:27,060 about the chiropractor manipulating the 62 00:02:32,629 --> 00:02:29,310 back of a four day old baby and that's 63 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:32,639 now sort of gone viral a lot of people 64 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:33,360 are prone arms of 65 00:02:37,370 --> 00:02:35,640 that and I've got believe a couple of 66 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:37,380 the national music wit networks have 67 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:38,610 been running more stories on that and 68 00:02:42,950 --> 00:02:40,470 people are going they did what they did 69 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:42,960 what it's gone international and as 70 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:44,910 you'll hear later on in the show radio 71 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:47,480 national here in Australia the ABC ran a 72 00:02:54,170 --> 00:02:50,580 lengthy story about this very topic Wow 73 00:02:55,790 --> 00:02:54,180 okay and boy and it is up such a busy 74 00:02:57,980 --> 00:02:55,800 day runs out because it's a here in 75 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:57,990 australia with sale Anzac Day weekend 76 00:03:03,380 --> 00:03:01,440 where we celebrate not winning a battle 77 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:03,390 we don't it's not it's a commemoration 78 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:07,200 it's it's our veterans day yes it's our 79 00:03:10,310 --> 00:03:08,760 veterans day and we honor our veterans 80 00:03:12,260 --> 00:03:10,320 and over the years I've done many 81 00:03:14,510 --> 00:03:12,270 stories with veterans and and I have 82 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:14,520 really enjoyed talking to veterans of 83 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:16,680 the malayan emergency that's one of the 84 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:17,820 ones that you don't get to hear about 85 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:19,730 very much you don't hear about that much 86 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:22,110 and there was a australian and british 87 00:03:25,970 --> 00:03:23,910 troops involved in that of course and 88 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:25,980 and look a lot of people go oh a 89 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:27,209 foundling vietnam had been more like 90 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:29,040 that but things weren't on during that 91 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:30,360 that you couldn't have done in Vietnam 92 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:32,040 because of the coverage of it from it's 93 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:34,080 a very I'd recommend people to have a 94 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:35,250 little look at it and was called the 95 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:38,160 malayan emergency for assurance reason 96 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:40,290 that's because if it was a war it 97 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:43,080 changes the whole plant because people 98 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:45,120 own rubber plantations there in the area 99 00:03:47,930 --> 00:03:46,470 and that would have changed the whole 100 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:47,940 way that the insurance would have dealt 101 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:49,650 with in any damage came from the war 102 00:03:53,420 --> 00:03:51,900 because it was an emergency not a war 103 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:53,430 you know that's why I listen to the 104 00:03:58,610 --> 00:03:55,590 skeptic zone because I I learned lots of 105 00:04:00,110 --> 00:03:58,620 stuff no I also learned from listening 106 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:00,120 to the skeptic zone about bunga bunga 107 00:04:04,009 --> 00:04:01,950 how's that going bunga bunga with Tim 108 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:04,019 Ferguson is going fine Tim Ferguson of 109 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:04,890 course remember the dog Anthony 110 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:07,410 all-stars we do it's the opposite of the 111 00:04:11,539 --> 00:04:09,060 skeptic zone really you don't learn a 112 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:11,549 thing on that show there's lots of gross 113 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:13,380 general speculation about nothing that 114 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:15,390 means anything really but Tim's fine 115 00:04:17,690 --> 00:04:16,500 he's been doing some sup work with the 116 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:17,700 dog Anthony all-stars he's around 117 00:04:21,140 --> 00:04:19,290 Australia Doug Anthony all-stars are 118 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:21,150 returning to the Edinburgh Festival but 119 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:22,650 before Tim goes here we're going to do a 120 00:04:28,219 --> 00:04:26,010 bunga bunga 26 fairly shortly fantastic 121 00:04:29,659 --> 00:04:28,229 i did i tell you how pleased i haven't i 122 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:29,669 like that did i mention on how pleased i 123 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:31,860 have never had children know that we had 124 00:04:38,510 --> 00:04:36,450 about six children come right 66 on 125 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:38,520 scooters it's amazing you know i mean 126 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:40,530 good luck to them that six kids Wow 127 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:43,590 anyway ah yes bunga bunga may not calm 128 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:45,330 today you but for now may night I think 129 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:46,950 it's time we raced back inside 130 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:48,720 let's go back inside the pub go 131 00:04:52,910 --> 00:04:50,310 downstairs to the cellar and drink the 132 00:05:15,909 --> 00:04:52,920 oldest thing we can find really I think 133 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:18,350 well I don't know about you but every 134 00:05:21,409 --> 00:05:20,130 long weekend I feel like some science so 135 00:05:22,999 --> 00:05:21,419 I want to get out there and cheer and 136 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:23,009 where the fabric colors of my favorite 137 00:05:25,939 --> 00:05:24,479 science team and science better than he 138 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:25,949 went on the field then come back and go 139 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:28,289 wow that was a day of science drive my 140 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:30,810 soft top car through the town firing off 141 00:05:34,820 --> 00:05:32,729 a gun going science burn if your cars 142 00:05:36,830 --> 00:05:34,830 start a riot and that is a day of 143 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:36,840 science now that's happened today I just 144 00:05:40,159 --> 00:05:38,220 completely made that up but i am here 145 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:40,169 weird Richard Saunders and Iran hello 146 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:42,930 Richard hello may not Iran you look you 147 00:05:48,050 --> 00:05:44,610 came in here you had the tickets big day 148 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:48,060 of science for you has it been no not 149 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:49,650 nothing like what I described there 150 00:05:53,930 --> 00:05:52,380 nothing like it at all well okay well 151 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:53,940 hopefully Lawrence Lincoln dragged us 152 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:55,710 out of this oh wow just a little girl 153 00:05:59,270 --> 00:05:57,419 she's dressed as Cinderella going into 154 00:06:00,980 --> 00:05:59,280 the show how can adults counter as a 155 00:06:03,559 --> 00:06:00,990 Cinderella and go into shows i guess you 156 00:06:04,969 --> 00:06:03,569 can you can of course you can wipe i'm 157 00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:04,979 surprised though you of all people would 158 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:07,380 say that you can't well yeah i am 159 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:09,360 dressed as a you know well i'm playing a 160 00:06:12,409 --> 00:06:10,800 fictional character a well dressed man 161 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:12,419 today I Richard you're playing the 162 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:14,310 fictional main ideas we we're here to 163 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:16,889 see Lawrence long shot as I mentioned 164 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:18,180 last week on the skeptic zone when we 165 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:20,130 interviewed Lawrence on the show is 166 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:21,930 called very strange things we're here at 167 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:24,870 sydney's town hall which is which is 168 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:26,969 really busy Andy and very much like the 169 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:28,830 Melbourne Comedy Festival there's all 170 00:06:32,180 --> 00:06:31,139 these shows that they do one after the 171 00:06:34,189 --> 00:06:32,190 other and you say you've got to come in 172 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:34,199 and then let the other people out let 173 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:35,729 them in and we're in the at the moment 174 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:36,810 where all these kids it all these kids 175 00:06:40,219 --> 00:06:38,490 are coming out dresses Cinderella's fact 176 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:40,229 this is a show I should have been at I 177 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:42,120 weren't the wrong show definitely i had 178 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:43,560 the dress I would have worn the bloody 179 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:46,710 thing anyway we're looking forward to 180 00:06:50,209 --> 00:06:48,270 the show from Lawrence because it's a 181 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:50,219 bit of mentalism I think a bit of 182 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:52,650 skepticism with a science actually now 183 00:06:56,180 --> 00:06:54,960 how would you define mentalism what what 184 00:06:58,580 --> 00:06:56,190 is that he'll know who Howard most 185 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:58,590 people encounter that mentalism is the 186 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:01,500 art of pretending to be able to read 187 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:04,680 people's minds or perform paranormal 188 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:07,310 acts to using your mind so things like 189 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:09,990 telekinesis and mind-reading you know 190 00:07:15,740 --> 00:07:12,690 just so it's much not much more than 191 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:15,750 actually accurate cold guessing well 192 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:18,690 cold reading is not I suppose mentally 193 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,370 mentalism could include cold reading 194 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:22,560 except that cold reading is a very 195 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:23,400 simple 196 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:24,990 it's not the kind of thing that you 197 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:27,360 would usually be very impressed by 198 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:29,880 unless you expect it to be true if you 199 00:07:33,980 --> 00:07:32,280 go to a magic show then you expect to 200 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:33,990 see wonderful things like you know being 201 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:37,650 able to read the number of a banknote 202 00:07:41,719 --> 00:07:39,300 that's hidden in an envelope and stuff 203 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:41,729 like that yeah so it's it's a lot better 204 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:44,130 than what people pretend you to be 205 00:07:47,779 --> 00:07:45,960 psychics to really do and look tell me 206 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:47,789 as a skeptic have you encountered people 207 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:49,410 that have seen really good magic shows 208 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:52,050 and they they swear black and blue that 209 00:07:56,090 --> 00:07:53,610 there is actual magic going on there 210 00:07:58,490 --> 00:07:56,100 because the magician was that good it's 211 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:58,500 usually yes i have but it usually 212 00:08:02,750 --> 00:08:00,720 happens when the magician is ambiguous 213 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:02,760 about the message so for example with 214 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:04,530 darren brown we've seen that I haven't 215 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:07,979 seen Beth Derren Brown myself but people 216 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:09,150 were interviewed coming out of his shows 217 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:10,710 and because was especially in the early 218 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:12,360 years it was a little bit ambiguous 219 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:13,800 about whether what he was doing was 220 00:08:19,909 --> 00:08:16,620 paranormal or a magic magic in the sense 221 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:19,919 of illusion and then some people believe 222 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:22,410 that he had real powers but now he 223 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:24,720 doesn't like I get confused for the term 224 00:08:27,469 --> 00:08:25,800 because if someone says they're 225 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:27,479 Mentalist to me that always means that 226 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:29,190 they're just slightly more legit than a 227 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:31,530 psychic I would say they're a lot more 228 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:33,930 legit basically mentalism is a form of 229 00:08:40,310 --> 00:08:37,529 magic okay right so it's a bit like you 230 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:40,320 know when you're person who pulls a 231 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:41,880 rabbit out of a hat you know that's 232 00:08:45,949 --> 00:08:43,529 they're not pretending that that's 233 00:08:48,380 --> 00:08:45,959 really happening you like they've really 234 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:48,390 just made up the rabbit you know no it's 235 00:08:52,390 --> 00:08:50,070 it's similar it's magic so should i 236 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:52,400 suspend my disbelief during this show I 237 00:08:58,310 --> 00:08:55,110 think it would probably enjoy it more if 238 00:08:59,660 --> 00:08:58,320 you do just a little bit right do you 239 00:09:01,699 --> 00:08:59,670 think they'll be a smarty bump some when 240 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:01,709 the audience going on how you did that 241 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:03,630 it doesn't usually happen with good 242 00:09:09,319 --> 00:09:05,220 mentalism okay 243 00:09:11,869 --> 00:09:09,329 you know fairly yeah if you if it's done 244 00:09:13,999 --> 00:09:11,879 well then I'll on Team Orange doing some 245 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:14,009 killer card tricks he's really good with 246 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:15,600 the close-up magic cards I've interests 247 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:16,889 to see how it goes on the stage tonight 248 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:19,800 I sure you'll be good I'm sure he'll be 249 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:21,300 good I've heard very good reviews by the 250 00:09:26,449 --> 00:09:23,730 show and have you felt about the work of 251 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:26,459 darren brown as a skeptic Richard oh 252 00:09:29,929 --> 00:09:28,500 that's a contentious issue because there 253 00:09:31,369 --> 00:09:29,939 are lots of people who understand what 254 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:31,379 he's doing a lot of people who think 255 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:33,750 they understand what he's doing a lot of 256 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:35,250 people aren't happy with what he's doing 257 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:37,290 and then there are people who are okay 258 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:40,560 Yes Minister yes you were hedging your 259 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:42,240 bets a few times there but like you'll 260 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:43,680 be keeping quiet you won't be you won't 261 00:09:46,819 --> 00:09:45,420 be carrying on you up yelling out I'll 262 00:09:48,860 --> 00:09:46,829 be filling up boo are you have your 263 00:09:50,150 --> 00:09:48,870 skeptical you won't be cynical you won't 264 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:50,160 just be booing at inappropriate moments 265 00:09:55,369 --> 00:09:54,180 now I'll keep my trap shut Wow look this 266 00:09:57,259 --> 00:09:55,379 is the star any the thing I've been 267 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:57,269 looking forward to last night I went to 268 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:58,800 see a show that was called very strange 269 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:01,019 things and look I didn't see a lot of 270 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:03,000 strange things there but I was truly 271 00:10:07,699 --> 00:10:05,730 mystified Lawrence how are you great 272 00:10:09,199 --> 00:10:07,709 good to speak to you again may not look 273 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:09,209 I was in the front row for your show and 274 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:10,050 I hope that wasn't a bit off-putting 275 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:11,339 because I realized you want to get 276 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:12,420 people from the audience but you 277 00:10:16,369 --> 00:10:13,860 couldn't get people you knew up could 278 00:10:20,059 --> 00:10:16,379 you know i never get people up onto 279 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:20,069 stage that i know so i think it's 280 00:10:23,299 --> 00:10:21,569 because with the type of show that this 281 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:23,309 is people might think that they're 282 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:27,420 actors or stooges or accomplices and you 283 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:28,680 know generally i don't have you know any 284 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:31,649 actors or stooges in the show so i like 285 00:10:35,569 --> 00:10:33,420 to look out into the audience and I 286 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:35,579 generally choose people who are smiling 287 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:36,990 and enjoying the show because it means 288 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:38,970 that they'll be friendly on stage you 289 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,160 know have nice personality not being you 290 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:43,920 know dicks on stage yeah and and 291 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:46,110 generally it's people who they're having 292 00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:48,300 a good time it makes a better show when 293 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:49,649 everyone has a good time together the 294 00:10:52,429 --> 00:10:50,850 show has done the Melbourne comedy 295 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:52,439 festival here for the Sydney Comedy 296 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:53,910 Festival I believe you're going to Perth 297 00:10:58,579 --> 00:10:56,160 that's right so my show very strange 298 00:11:01,519 --> 00:10:58,589 things is going to the Perth comedy 299 00:11:03,860 --> 00:11:01,529 festival in may so may I think it's five 300 00:11:06,199 --> 00:11:03,870 six and seven it's the weekend there in 301 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:06,209 the episode of May and yeah performing 302 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:08,519 at the Town Hall in Perth I've never 303 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:09,839 been there before I mean I've been to 304 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:11,370 Perth but not to the town hall and I'll 305 00:11:14,329 --> 00:11:12,720 just you in town hall because there was 306 00:11:16,370 --> 00:11:14,339 a town hall in Melbourne wasn't that the 307 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:16,380 universe was Sydney Town Hall birth town 308 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,980 hall 309 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:18,959 ah no one was at the malt house theatre 310 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:20,910 but yes I played the town or before 311 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:22,740 seems to be a comedy festival type thing 312 00:11:28,189 --> 00:11:25,980 to to have people funny buggers invade 313 00:11:29,629 --> 00:11:28,199 Civic buildings and of course you would 314 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:29,639 of course know the show unbelievable 315 00:11:33,019 --> 00:11:31,620 producer just stepping in for second he 316 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:33,029 does this you know and the thing is I 317 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:34,620 think things are thought he was at home 318 00:11:39,079 --> 00:11:37,920 sleeping just to say that it's the sort 319 00:11:44,449 --> 00:11:39,089 of comedy that normally happens in a 320 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:44,459 town hall right yeah I figured I could 321 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:46,410 do some contribution so what about them 322 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:48,300 going to Brisbane or you know some of 323 00:11:52,610 --> 00:11:50,250 regional areas yeah yeah there it's on 324 00:11:54,860 --> 00:11:52,620 on the cards on the on the planning 325 00:11:57,730 --> 00:11:54,870 table in the calendar I haven't fixed 326 00:11:59,600 --> 00:11:57,740 any dates just yet but in the meantime 327 00:12:01,340 --> 00:11:59,610 concentrating on this part of the tour 328 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:01,350 first and then second half of the year 329 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:04,260 we'll move the show to other parts of 330 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:06,000 Australia because I have had a lot of 331 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:07,560 people say in the fbook but why not bris 332 00:12:11,870 --> 00:12:09,240 must come come to Tasmania and it's like 333 00:12:14,269 --> 00:12:11,880 I want to so we just got to lock in the 334 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:14,279 theaters and get it all planned and it's 335 00:12:18,139 --> 00:12:16,500 a show that I think can travel quite 336 00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:18,149 well I mean everywhere I performed it 337 00:12:24,019 --> 00:12:20,000 the crowds have been absolutely amazing 338 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:24,029 they really enjoy a show which is both 339 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:26,880 kind of I one hand entertaining but on 340 00:12:31,430 --> 00:12:29,300 the other hand it has a bit of sneaky 341 00:12:33,949 --> 00:12:31,440 education interval like I like to do 342 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:33,959 stuff it that's from a skeptical bent 343 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:35,940 and it's got buckets of your wit in it 344 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:38,250 too I like like last night the the thing 345 00:12:42,199 --> 00:12:40,230 I wouldn't say impress me but the thing 346 00:12:43,819 --> 00:12:42,209 that I've really got to show is you were 347 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:43,829 working hard and you were working 348 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:46,110 efficiently through the whole shows like 349 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:48,540 you're doing a sprint through it and it 350 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:49,560 was great but you knew what you were 351 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:51,060 doing you didn't trip over once it was 352 00:12:54,139 --> 00:12:52,740 one or two things didn't go well and you 353 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:54,149 kept going it was almost like a 354 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:55,980 Mentalist Tommy Cooper at one stage 355 00:12:59,650 --> 00:12:58,170 there yeah yeah I think it's important 356 00:13:01,970 --> 00:12:59,660 that when you do a show like this 357 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:01,980 everything feels like it's flying on the 358 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:04,470 set of its pants um you know I don't 359 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:06,839 like to see shows which are you know 360 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:10,470 boring so and if things go amazingly 361 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:11,580 well that's great 362 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:13,920 and if things kind of slip up it just 363 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:15,690 makes it kind of fun because it means 364 00:13:19,370 --> 00:13:17,460 that every night it's different so I can 365 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:19,380 play with the crowd and because no one 366 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:20,970 everything's so unpredictable in the 367 00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:22,470 show I don't know what's going to happen 368 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:25,860 once people are joining in and part of 369 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:28,050 the show anything can happen and I've 370 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:30,090 had some amazing stories and some crazy 371 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:32,040 people coming up on stage and just 372 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:34,140 there's one point where there's a part 373 00:13:36,860 --> 00:13:35,730 in the show without spoiling too much 374 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:36,870 because I don't want to spoil the show 375 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:37,890 that's the I'm not saying too much 376 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:39,870 because I actually went along not 377 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:41,730 knowing a thing about the show you could 378 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,160 have been doing a documentary on 379 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:46,320 paranormal fräulein ooh so I didn't know 380 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:47,850 so and I just enjoy what I saw I was 381 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:49,920 like yeah yeah there's our one one 382 00:13:56,540 --> 00:13:52,860 person in a show who stood up and and 383 00:13:58,220 --> 00:13:56,550 through their phone to the floor you 384 00:14:00,440 --> 00:13:58,230 know think thinking that I was almost 385 00:14:02,270 --> 00:14:00,450 demonic like I'd possess their phone Wow 386 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:02,280 yeah yeah without giving away too much 387 00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,420 of what happens in that particular 388 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:06,000 moment and that was fun and that was got 389 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:10,110 purely just someone reacting so much to 390 00:14:13,550 --> 00:14:12,150 one of the effects in the show so 391 00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:13,560 basically the show for those of you 392 00:14:19,130 --> 00:14:15,720 don't know it's a it's kinda bout my 393 00:14:22,730 --> 00:14:19,140 experiences experimenting and also 394 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:22,740 dabbling in experimenting if there is 395 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:24,210 such a thing as the paranormal and 396 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:28,050 supernatural things out there and over 397 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:29,850 the years I've you know researched and 398 00:14:35,390 --> 00:14:31,350 found out a lot of different techniques 399 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:35,400 of how fake psychics and charlatans do 400 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:39,000 their things and I basically demonstrate 401 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:41,640 that on stage with a live audience had 402 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:45,150 people that go no no you have got the 403 00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:46,710 gift have you had people have said no 404 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,390 you haven't got you know I know and your 405 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:49,920 show unbelievable there was a woman that 406 00:14:53,270 --> 00:14:52,050 you could not convince yeah you had were 407 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:53,280 faking it but has that happened in the 408 00:14:59,060 --> 00:14:56,760 show ah I've had people come up with all 409 00:15:01,040 --> 00:14:59,070 sorts of theories not one that would be 410 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:01,050 saying that I'm a psychic because I 411 00:15:05,510 --> 00:15:03,450 emphatically throughout the entire show 412 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:05,520 but always every time I do something 413 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:09,120 which is psychic I say I'm not a psychic 414 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,540 and and i love that delicious irony of 415 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:14,160 the fact that i can be more accurate 416 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,290 than most people who claim to be psychic 417 00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:18,240 despite the fact that i'm in no way 418 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:20,790 psychic at all i am doing illusions 419 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:22,980 their psychological illusions but 420 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:24,490 they're certainly not psychic 421 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:25,990 here's a question I have to ask you 422 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:27,940 because you do great close-up magic I've 423 00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,410 seen you and Adam the world's greatest 424 00:15:33,090 --> 00:15:31,839 teacher doing some absolutely brilliant 425 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:33,100 card tricks in front of me you do 426 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:35,170 there's some great card tricks and I 427 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:37,690 spoke to a magician last night who was 428 00:15:42,810 --> 00:15:40,330 very upset with the the likes of Penn & 429 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,820 Teller because he thought that they they 430 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:44,800 in some way bring the whole magic 431 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:47,110 industry into disrepute by giving stuff 432 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:49,060 away and let and treating the whole 433 00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:50,740 thing is as if letting some of the 434 00:15:57,329 --> 00:15:53,680 secret go and I'm a big dependent Ella 435 00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:57,339 fan and he specifically did the thick 436 00:16:00,540 --> 00:15:58,720 where they do the cups and balls with 437 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:00,550 the clear cups and balls now after 438 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:02,410 watching that you are no wiser is to 439 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:03,880 have the cups and balls are done and I 440 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:05,260 don't think it actually ruins a trick 441 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:06,850 but how do you feel about that attitude 442 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:08,620 from some in the in the magic game that 443 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:09,880 think that they they bring the whole 444 00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:11,830 thing down a bit yeah right it's 445 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:13,839 interesting because I I'm not part of 446 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:18,970 any magic circle or subscribe to any I'm 447 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,890 not really a magician like I just like 448 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,720 to know I know how things are done and 449 00:16:27,449 --> 00:16:25,120 as a hobby and also someone who loves 450 00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,459 this world I do a lot of research and I 451 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:28,959 do have hang out with a lot of magicians 452 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:32,380 as well a lot of my friends are but I 453 00:16:35,699 --> 00:16:34,120 don't see myself as a magician as such 454 00:16:39,870 --> 00:16:35,709 so when it comes to the ethics of 455 00:16:42,930 --> 00:16:39,880 busting tricks it's it's about what what 456 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:42,940 is the the where does the rule come from 457 00:16:49,470 --> 00:16:45,910 and why and on one hand if we talk about 458 00:16:52,889 --> 00:16:49,480 in terms of the secret the secret is to 459 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:52,899 preserve someone's mystery or profession 460 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:55,180 because it's their job right so I can 461 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:56,740 understand it for professional point of 462 00:17:00,269 --> 00:16:58,450 view it's protecting their jobs because 463 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:00,279 it's a job that relies on secrets and 464 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,680 mystery but personally I think it's more 465 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:04,480 of a philosophical question because it 466 00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:07,270 is ultimately about where do you where 467 00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:09,309 in magic does the mystery lie does it 468 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:10,959 lie in the minds of the audience or not 469 00:17:17,910 --> 00:17:13,569 now there's a there are people who feel 470 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:17,920 like magic can only get better if if the 471 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:19,870 obvious tricks all the tricks which are 472 00:17:27,329 --> 00:17:23,920 stock standard or cliched or to be blunt 473 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:27,339 hack if those tricks are exposed by 474 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:29,710 people of the caliber of say Penn and 475 00:17:33,659 --> 00:17:32,110 Teller maybe it will force the industry 476 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:33,669 and the magicians to make better tricks 477 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:35,770 and better not better tricks the better 478 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:36,990 methods 479 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:39,960 and I am NOT hundred percent familiar 480 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:41,850 with the routine with the clear cups and 481 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:43,110 balls i think i've seen it on youtube 482 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:45,420 i'm not familiar with the methods cuz i 483 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:46,920 haven't sat down and like you know 484 00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:48,390 reverse engineered and watch it but to 485 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:51,059 me it's it's it's not about exposing 486 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:53,190 magic to me it's about celebrating the 487 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:55,320 history of the cups and balls which is 488 00:18:00,740 --> 00:17:57,090 what the presentations about it's about 489 00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:00,750 the love of magic and then penn teller 490 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:03,630 top that by doing it with showing you 491 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:05,640 how they do it with clear cuts balls but 492 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:07,530 then they always do the thing at the end 493 00:18:10,430 --> 00:18:09,000 of their routines once they expose 494 00:18:13,370 --> 00:18:10,440 something then they could cause amp you 495 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:13,380 cuz I'm pew with a method you could not 496 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:17,250 have imagined and then top it so and I 497 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:19,110 do similar things in this show I early 498 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:21,570 on the show I make things look very easy 499 00:18:27,470 --> 00:18:23,640 and within their bilmes of credibility 500 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:27,480 or believability and then a few scenes 501 00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:29,910 later in my show very strange things I 502 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:32,120 will hopefully gives up the audience by 503 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:36,270 going ramping it from 10 to 200 really 504 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:38,370 percent really quickly and then 505 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:40,500 hopefully leave the audience with a 506 00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,130 head-scratching but also to preserve the 507 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:46,559 mystery so without giving away too much 508 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:48,690 in the show I do challenged the audience 509 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:51,510 to inquire inside their own minds 510 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:52,440 whether they want to be someone who 511 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:54,750 knows everything or someone who enjoys 512 00:18:58,669 --> 00:18:57,090 mystery and since it shows all about 513 00:19:00,200 --> 00:18:58,679 science I don't know what is your 514 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,210 favorite scientific invention or 515 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:02,160 discovery I mean I'm a big fan of the 516 00:19:06,140 --> 00:19:04,830 earbud these simple everyday here but I 517 00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:06,150 mean someone had to learn how to and he 518 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:07,559 had to wrap that cotton and we use it 519 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:08,940 every day I mean think that's a pretty 520 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:11,160 good thing I mean ok it's not fire but 521 00:19:17,540 --> 00:19:14,520 it's good I think so it depends on the 522 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:17,550 situation like if we're in a apocalyptic 523 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:19,740 situation I think can opener well this 524 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:21,960 would be a very good invention it's true 525 00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:25,710 um ah the toilet is a very good 526 00:19:30,049 --> 00:19:28,620 invention ok zombie me is not zombie 527 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:30,059 apocalypse you're gonna go with the 528 00:19:34,669 --> 00:19:33,000 shotgun or the baseball bat oh god yeah 529 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:34,679 that's always a tough one I think I'd 530 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,390 have to go the base book no you know 531 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:38,520 what I'll go the shotgun ok because once 532 00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:39,960 it runs out of bullets you can use it 533 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:41,640 like a baseball bat it's like two things 534 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,020 that's to be close quarters and 535 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:45,360 long-range and also the the shotgun 536 00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:46,710 would have to have a strap so I can wear 537 00:19:48,750 --> 00:19:48,150 over my shoulder because if I have to 538 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:48,760 run with 539 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:50,290 a baseball bat I may not be able to 540 00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:52,690 climb things I'm thinking about this I'm 541 00:19:56,970 --> 00:19:54,550 thinking about this yeah in this 542 00:19:58,830 --> 00:19:56,980 apocalyptic scenario wow that is great 543 00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,840 and have you had anyone in the show yet 544 00:20:02,790 --> 00:20:01,120 that's gone I know how I do I know how 545 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:02,800 you do that just try to almost ruin the 546 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,320 show for you ah some smartass kid no I 547 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:06,880 haven't any I've had some smart asses 548 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:08,830 but they're always wrong like that's 549 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:10,150 yeah and that's why it's so entertaining 550 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:15,510 because the most often I get accused of 551 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:18,100 having Stooges or actors in the show 552 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:20,560 because they can't think of any other 553 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:22,840 way it could be done and there are no 554 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:24,610 stitches or actors in the show but to me 555 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:26,590 I've take this as almost the ultimately 556 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:28,120 what you ain't sharing the door with 557 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:30,190 anybody yeah I'm not sharing my my 558 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,160 ticket money with anyone and also think 559 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:34,480 of the practicalities of me having to 560 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:36,700 travel around the country with different 561 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:38,350 people to for every single show because 562 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:39,370 people are coming back and they're 563 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:40,770 bringing their friends and their family 564 00:20:44,670 --> 00:20:43,060 coming back to the show so why would you 565 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:44,680 have the same actors dressed in 566 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,090 different mustaches and hats or 567 00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:48,640 something it'd be like Laurent and each 568 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:50,500 crisis actors for his magic Joe you know 569 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:52,930 what yeah well our purposes can look 570 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:54,250 forward to that it's only a couple of 571 00:20:58,530 --> 00:20:55,180 shows you're doing there at the town 572 00:21:00,600 --> 00:20:58,540 hall isn't it yeah it's a may five six 573 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:00,610 and seven or six seven eight one of 574 00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:03,040 those yeah I just have to go to the 575 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:06,550 Perth comedy festival com website combo 576 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:08,500 you I think it is and what about what 577 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:09,790 about you yourself online where can 578 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,350 people find you online where you've got 579 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:13,360 the landing page for all this stuff oh 580 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:15,730 yeah it's basically my facebook page 581 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:18,280 it's called a lawrence learn official i 582 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:20,620 think just do a search for it actually 583 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:23,770 or I'm on instagram and twitter as well 584 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:26,260 so on twitter i'm lawrence underscore 585 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:29,890 learn and on instagram i am mr. Lawrence 586 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:31,750 loom but i'm sure all the links will be 587 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:34,570 provided with this podcast interview I'd 588 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:35,500 probably have asked you this question 589 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:37,180 before and I do ask do all the skeptics 590 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,910 there if one woo was true what would you 591 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,440 want that to be would you like it I 592 00:21:44,910 --> 00:21:42,880 don't know speaking to the dead or any 593 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:44,920 other kind of what we would you want to 594 00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:46,810 be true I don't want to speak to the 595 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:49,390 dead i find that kind of morbid I don't 596 00:21:52,530 --> 00:21:50,950 want to be able to read people's minds 597 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,540 because I think once you can do that it 598 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:54,880 takes away the mystery in the world and 599 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:55,690 then I'll start become more 600 00:22:00,029 --> 00:21:56,950 self-conscious because I spent my entire 601 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:00,039 time worrying what people think about me 602 00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:02,049 and that would be the worst thing ever 603 00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:04,629 to actually be constantly hearing what's 604 00:22:07,979 --> 00:22:06,220 in people's heads you'll actually be 605 00:22:09,539 --> 00:22:07,989 bored with life because there'll be no 606 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:09,549 mystery left and also the potential 607 00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:12,970 cacophony yeah absolutely so the word 608 00:22:20,269 --> 00:22:15,580 that I want to be able to be real if it 609 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,279 could be one and I guess finding water 610 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:22,960 divining because you know once again in 611 00:22:27,269 --> 00:22:24,460 the apocalypse when the zombies come out 612 00:22:29,879 --> 00:22:27,279 I need fresh water so so if I could 613 00:22:31,849 --> 00:22:29,889 divine where water sources would be and 614 00:22:33,659 --> 00:22:31,859 I have my shotgun I think I'll be fine 615 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:33,669 Lawrence thanks a lot you and your 616 00:22:37,139 --> 00:22:35,529 shotgun and welcome on this show anytime 617 00:22:40,979 --> 00:22:37,149 I sound like a right-winger all of a 618 00:23:00,690 --> 00:22:40,989 sudden guns guns guns great to talk to 619 00:23:07,810 --> 00:23:04,960 secrets of the psychics Australian 620 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:07,820 skeptics Sydney dinner meeting fourth of 621 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,510 June epi ride Eastwood leagues club in 622 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:14,480 west riding in preparation for the visit 623 00:23:19,899 --> 00:23:18,260 by psychic medium John Edward to 624 00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,909 Australia we're thrilled to have a 625 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:21,679 special event for our next dinner 626 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:24,710 meeting in Sydney a double apt with a 627 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:27,289 demonstration of psychic powers by self 628 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:30,950 professed psychic Nellie Klein and an 629 00:23:35,259 --> 00:23:32,690 explanation of the psychic skills by 630 00:23:38,169 --> 00:23:35,269 Richard Saunders judge of the psychic TV 631 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:38,179 challenge show the one and senior 632 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:40,010 investigator for Australian skeptic 633 00:23:44,669 --> 00:23:42,710 sinker miss Klein has agreed to do 634 00:23:48,009 --> 00:23:44,679 readings of members of our audience 635 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:48,019 giving you the chance to see psychic 636 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:50,510 powers in action and see how accurate 637 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:52,490 they are Richard will follow this with a 638 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:54,830 presentation of psychic tricks of the 639 00:24:00,850 --> 00:23:57,529 trade using his extensive knowledge and 640 00:24:02,259 --> 00:24:00,860 confrontation with claimers it sounds 641 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:02,269 interesting i might even go to this one 642 00:24:06,399 --> 00:24:04,580 myself so that's the australian skeptics 643 00:24:09,730 --> 00:24:06,409 our dinner meeting the fourth of june at 644 00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:09,740 the ride eastwood leagues club and west 645 00:24:16,389 --> 00:24:14,750 ryde are 6 34 7 15 it says cost is fifty 646 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:16,399 dollars per person which includes a 647 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:18,110 buffet dinner and the dinners they're up 648 00:24:24,009 --> 00:24:21,320 40 damn good plus a lucky door prize 649 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:24,019 somebody will get their ticket refunded 650 00:25:07,340 --> 00:24:54,920 it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi 651 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:07,350 Robertson well here i am at elfin pub in 652 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,810 northern New South Wales beautiful pub 653 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:11,220 great food if you're ever in the area 654 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:14,130 and i'm pleased to say this is the 655 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:17,580 inaugural skeptics in the pub in 656 00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:20,670 northern New South Wales the epicenter 657 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:24,900 of pseudoscience some may say we've 658 00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:26,490 actually got quite a good turnout for 659 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:29,460 our first for our first event we've got 660 00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,490 about 15 people here which is good all 661 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:36,000 ages all walks of life it's just I can't 662 00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:37,530 tell you how good it is to be sitting 663 00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:40,680 around a table of like-minded people in 664 00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:43,590 the northern rivers absolutely fantastic 665 00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:46,380 I'm about to do a a two-minute little 666 00:25:51,530 --> 00:25:49,860 talk on what skepticism is I'm doing a 667 00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:51,540 disclaimer to start with that I am 668 00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:55,350 certainly no expert in this but my own 669 00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:57,900 experiences thus far and and what I've 670 00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:00,840 learned so hopefully we'll be doing a 671 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:03,270 lot more of these and maybe some other 672 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,860 reports in the future and here we are in 673 00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,840 the inaugural skeptics in the pub in 674 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:12,120 northern New South Wales and who we got 675 00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:14,210 here Leonie price 676 00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:16,430 leone and you were the one that 677 00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:18,470 instigated this thank you so much for 678 00:26:22,690 --> 00:26:21,140 doing it I've been as you know wanting 679 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:22,700 to do it for a very long time but you 680 00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:24,230 were the one that got it all together so 681 00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:28,700 thank you can you tell us why what what 682 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:32,060 was your inspiration for for starting 683 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:33,410 skeptics in the pub in the northern 684 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:36,500 rivers well firstly I wanted to meet all 685 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,180 the wonderful people I've been talking 686 00:26:44,830 --> 00:26:42,080 to online but secondly I wanted to 687 00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:44,840 network and just find out what their 688 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:46,820 main interests were in relation to 689 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,160 skepticism tell me what your particular 690 00:26:58,510 --> 00:26:54,080 interest in the areas skepticism is is 691 00:27:03,130 --> 00:26:58,520 it like Bigfoot or UFOs or tell us what 692 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:03,140 you're most drawn to the major issue 693 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:06,170 that I'm interested in has to do with 694 00:27:12,790 --> 00:27:09,050 vaccinations when I first moved up here 695 00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:12,800 I came from a family where everyone was 696 00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:16,100 vaccinated no one questioned it I had a 697 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:20,120 mother who used to nurse babies who died 698 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:22,910 from scourge that are no longer a 699 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:24,740 problem now 700 00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:28,960 died from measles chicken hops 701 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:33,679 diphtheria things that just unknown now 702 00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:37,490 you don't get diphtheria and yes last 703 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:40,160 week there was a young lady out in 704 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:42,830 casino for diphtheria from someone who 705 00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:45,410 came in from overseas and the reason for 706 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:48,070 that is the low vaccination rate in the 707 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:51,770 barossa class yes when I first moved up 708 00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:54,590 here pissed here there was a whooping 709 00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:58,100 cough outbreak and unfortunately there 710 00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,100 are a couple of babies who died and I 711 00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:03,740 was gobsmacked to you I couldn't believe 712 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:06,470 in this day and age the two precious 713 00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:09,080 children could die from a disease that 714 00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:12,220 should not happen when I discovered that 715 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:16,940 the major Eddie vaccination network was 716 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:19,010 operating out of here and they were 717 00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:21,350 vilified these families who had lost 718 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,400 babies I became very angry and that's 719 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:28,640 that was my in and and you joined the 720 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:30,530 northern rivers vaccinations what I did 721 00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:33,530 I did and so that is how I became 722 00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:36,070 involved just just the horror of 723 00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:39,320 children dying when it's completely 724 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:42,380 unnecessary yeah and it all comes back 725 00:28:46,419 --> 00:28:45,050 to people's inability to beep 726 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:46,429 skeptically 727 00:28:54,009 --> 00:28:49,369 and assess whether what they're being 728 00:28:55,869 --> 00:28:54,019 told is valid or whether it's just off 729 00:28:57,159 --> 00:28:55,879 with the fairies yeah we have until 730 00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:57,169 about critical thinking there's no 731 00:29:02,560 --> 00:28:59,330 exactly well thank you lee I'll let you 732 00:29:04,239 --> 00:29:02,570 get back to your local groups and thank 733 00:29:07,869 --> 00:29:04,249 you very much for organizing it okay 734 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:07,879 thank you and I'm here with a another 735 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:10,369 young man now who has joined us for the 736 00:29:13,899 --> 00:29:12,590 inaugural skeptics in the pub and whom 737 00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:13,909 we got here what's your name my name's 738 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:16,070 David Oh David you're from the States 739 00:29:21,879 --> 00:29:19,129 but Sam's been yes yes and can you tell 740 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,889 us what drew you here today to skip its 741 00:29:26,169 --> 00:29:23,840 recovery I was involved with skeptics 742 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:26,179 movement activities in the states and we 743 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:27,950 haven't had anything like that here in a 744 00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:30,230 while since I've been here there's a lot 745 00:29:34,899 --> 00:29:33,070 of whoo going on so okay no it's cool 746 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:34,909 sort of like this I'm really excited 747 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:38,450 about it good and tell us what what irks 748 00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:42,440 you the most what is your particular bad 749 00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:44,919 fear when it comes to pseudoscience 750 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:48,080 anti-vaccine certainly comes to mind I 751 00:29:51,399 --> 00:29:50,090 think that does a lot of damage okay and 752 00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,409 anything else in particular you're 753 00:29:56,289 --> 00:29:54,559 interested in the whole UFOs and like 754 00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,299 moon landings and definitely interested 755 00:30:00,159 --> 00:29:58,399 in the stuff here always it says that 756 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:00,169 conspiracy culprits it's fascinating 757 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:03,110 stuff but yes sir yeah I always hoping 758 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:05,330 to talk about that great well thank you 759 00:30:09,070 --> 00:30:07,340 very much for coming and we look forward 760 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:09,080 to seeing you at Santa skeptics in the 761 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:12,230 pub in the future thank you much and 762 00:30:17,379 --> 00:30:15,230 here i am with Peter at the first 763 00:30:19,509 --> 00:30:17,389 skeptics in the pub and Peter what 764 00:30:22,629 --> 00:30:19,519 brought you here today and I've never 765 00:30:26,619 --> 00:30:22,639 been in a skeptics group but i am quite 766 00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:26,629 skeptical about pseudoscience and have 767 00:30:31,659 --> 00:30:28,340 you always been that way or was there 768 00:30:34,029 --> 00:30:31,669 something that that's always always even 769 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:34,039 it's a show everything yeah yeah i did a 770 00:30:38,859 --> 00:30:36,470 science degree at school so I mean not 771 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,869 at all at universities oh did you yes 772 00:30:44,139 --> 00:30:41,600 right so you're you're well-versed in 773 00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:44,149 the scientific method and and does it 774 00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:45,710 drive you crazy living in an area like 775 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:47,269 this where there is a lot of 776 00:30:52,869 --> 00:30:49,580 pseudoscience and miscegenation yeah I 777 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:52,879 do feel quite alone in the place well 778 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:54,230 you're certainly not alone in the 779 00:30:59,820 --> 00:30:56,570 society but here's why I came it's your 780 00:31:02,019 --> 00:30:59,830 honor and tell me is there some sort of 781 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:02,029 pseudoscience in particular that really 782 00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:06,769 irks you it's your boat well it's a kind 783 00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:08,659 of pseudoscience that ignores basic 784 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:11,749 physics maybe your basic chemistry or 785 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:15,529 biology give you an example of that okay 786 00:31:21,369 --> 00:31:18,830 well I saw a documentary put out by the 787 00:31:26,169 --> 00:31:21,379 Theosophical Society just recently that 788 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:26,179 had a diagram in it of the Sun revolving 789 00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:29,480 around Sirius and claiming that every 790 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:31,340 twenty-four thousand years the Sun and 791 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:34,490 serious orbit each other which makes 792 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:37,220 this our son and serious a kind of twin 793 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:39,270 star 794 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:43,780 in the diagram was kind of interesting 795 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:45,670 but learn it when I thought about it I 796 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:47,260 thought well there's other stars between 797 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,440 the Sun and serious there's Alpha 798 00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:53,440 Centauri which is a cluster of stars so 799 00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:55,540 sunt the Sun and serious are revolving 800 00:32:00,810 --> 00:31:57,790 around each other and this there are 801 00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,820 other stars nearer than Syria's then the 802 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:02,320 whole thing must be gravitationally 803 00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:05,680 bound not just the Sun and serious and I 804 00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:07,960 thought well actually I've never heard 805 00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:10,180 of that in astronomy and where on earth 806 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:13,480 does it come from how come you know an 807 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:18,570 idea like that can be propagated from a 808 00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:21,730 society like with the esophagus society 809 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:25,720 which has got lots of adherent admit I I 810 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:27,370 haven't really come across a lot of 811 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:29,290 pseudoscience in the field of astronomy 812 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:31,090 but maybe that's because I haven't 813 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:33,640 really been looking for them ticular but 814 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:35,890 yeah well I don't think you'll find she 815 00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:37,690 decides on the field of astronomy not 816 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:44,260 know get a feel of theosophy yes right 817 00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:45,910 oh thank you Peter I'll let you get back 818 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:47,800 to your lunch and hopefully we'll see 819 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:49,930 you at all skeptics in the pubs in the 820 00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:53,010 future thank you 821 00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:56,160 and here i am with a lovely lady who has 822 00:33:03,170 --> 00:32:59,940 been to several skeptics events with me 823 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,180 in the past if we got here Doreen possum 824 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:06,480 alo Doreen and are you very excited 825 00:33:12,530 --> 00:33:08,190 about this inaugural skeptics in the pub 826 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,540 in the northern rivers excited is a bit 827 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:14,880 of an exaggeration but are using I can 828 00:33:18,050 --> 00:33:16,710 see the excitement on your place come on 829 00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:18,060 you can hardly prevent yourself from 830 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:21,660 jumping jack and the old I'm jumping up 831 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:23,400 and down and you were saying earlier 832 00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:25,710 that you've been involved in skepticism 833 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:27,300 for probably the last couple of years 834 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:30,030 what was it that initially drew you to 835 00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,330 it yeah I know I've always been a 836 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:36,480 skeptic and I was involved with stop the 837 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:39,750 avian facebook page and it was there I 838 00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,350 learnt of the skeptics groups and I then 839 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:45,360 joined the Australian skeptics Facebook 840 00:33:52,050 --> 00:33:48,570 page yes so you've been another vocal 841 00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:52,060 advocate for vaccination particularly 842 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:55,300 yes yes that's fantastic and make value 843 00:34:01,020 --> 00:33:57,130 at you as a member of our group as well 844 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:01,030 yes I'm old enough to remember or most 845 00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,550 of these diseases what tell us a bit 846 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:05,880 more about that what do you remember I 847 00:34:10,890 --> 00:34:08,260 remember my mother talking about my 848 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:10,900 sister having measles and how ill she 849 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:14,410 was she high fever and night news and 850 00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:16,990 she SAT up all night leave her I had 851 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:19,000 measles to but I'm I was too young to 852 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:22,690 remember that and my oldest two children 853 00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:24,760 had measles not quite as bad as my 854 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:28,360 sister I believe I was a single mother 855 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,530 at the time and working I lost my job 856 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:34,480 because I had to take six weeks off work 857 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:37,780 I went to the daycare center to pick up 858 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:40,660 the children and I was told me zoals was 859 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:44,950 going through the day kissing has been 860 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:48,610 horrified again horrifying is a bit too 861 00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:51,070 strong a word because then just about 862 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:53,320 everybody every child companies users 863 00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:57,430 yes and the my children were getting it 864 00:35:02,340 --> 00:34:59,590 at daycare in fact my daughter caught it 865 00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,350 off my son because she was younger she 866 00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:04,240 was only a baby she was in a different 867 00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:07,420 part of the daycare center and so that 868 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:09,340 meant three weeks we want three weeks 869 00:35:11,849 --> 00:35:11,350 with the other I went back to work per 870 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:11,859 lei 871 00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:14,230 as they used to say in England gave me 872 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:18,849 my cards I lost my job so did they would 873 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:20,890 it be fair to say that that back then 874 00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:23,190 because it was such a prevalent 875 00:35:28,529 --> 00:35:26,589 childhood disease we're people actually 876 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:28,539 aware of how serious it could be 877 00:35:35,729 --> 00:35:31,720 infected sometimes it is a fatal disease 878 00:35:38,999 --> 00:35:35,739 who was it I certainly wasn't aware so 879 00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:39,009 there's a lot more knowledge around that 880 00:35:44,249 --> 00:35:41,619 now and awareness I've become aware of 881 00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:44,259 it since some joining the stock the 882 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:46,119 avian and reading a lot of material on 883 00:35:53,279 --> 00:35:49,150 facebook and and also looking up 884 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:53,289 information and i found the year i had 885 00:36:01,339 --> 00:35:56,650 measles it was in a thousand spec 2,000 886 00:36:05,609 --> 00:36:01,349 people babies died children died music 887 00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:05,619 the year my son had meters 888 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:08,109 I say there were two hundred and 889 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:10,430 something days 890 00:36:16,569 --> 00:36:14,089 people are still getting measles the 891 00:36:19,809 --> 00:36:16,579 medical care had improved in most yes 892 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:19,819 they are saving yeah but at the time I 893 00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:23,210 didn't know if anybody yes yes and 894 00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,510 lastly is there a particular brand of 895 00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:29,599 pseudoscience that really irritates you 896 00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:33,460 apart from the vaccination things 897 00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:36,820 all of them fun complementary medicine 898 00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:41,140 the most yes anything in particular well 899 00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:44,200 in that field not only complementary 900 00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:47,640 maybe so not the alternative such as 901 00:36:58,290 --> 00:36:52,780 cannabis oil the wide variety of claims 902 00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:58,300 or yes and and people who choose to use 903 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:01,420 this rather than going to see an 904 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:03,220 oncologist if you have cancer for 905 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:05,950 example and yes it's a little worried 906 00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,490 isn't again and then at the age I know 907 00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:12,160 quite a few people who have cancer died 908 00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:14,740 I had a good friend and he became so 909 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:18,609 annoyed people telling him to that his 910 00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:21,790 blood was too alkaline or two I said I 911 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:24,520 forgot the machetes I think I promote 912 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:27,670 the alkaline I'm supposed to be alone 913 00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:32,290 yes yes hmm so and and he was getting he 914 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:34,780 said he got annoyed and he said I don't 915 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:36,430 want to have to deal with that now I 916 00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:39,190 just waved from the way yes yeah this is 917 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:40,990 a man dealing with the news that he had 918 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:44,290 pancreatic cancer in the terminal and 919 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:46,570 lots of people will 920 00:37:54,430 --> 00:37:49,820 suggesting he he take these alternative 921 00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:54,440 it remedies and others I know who have 922 00:38:00,940 --> 00:37:56,180 taken in rather than conventional 923 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:00,950 medicine yes okay I completely 924 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:02,690 understand where you're coming from with 925 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:04,460 that that's one of my own bugbears as 926 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:06,920 well but listen I'll let you get back to 927 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:08,810 the table thank you for being here and 928 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:11,090 hope to see you at more skeptics in the 929 00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:13,070 pub in the Northern Rivers you will 930 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,380 thank you for more information about the 931 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:20,240 skeptics in the pub in the northern 932 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:22,900 rivers and google rainbow region 933 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:49,190 skeptics in the pub astronomy cast it 934 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:50,900 takes a fax based journey through the 935 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,030 cosmos as it offers listeners weekly 936 00:38:58,359 --> 00:38:55,040 discussions on astronomical topics 937 00:39:00,430 --> 00:38:58,369 ranging from planets to cosmology hosted 938 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:00,440 by Fraser Cain of Universe Today and 939 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:02,690 myself dr. Pamela gave southern illinois 940 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:05,210 university edwardsville this show brings 941 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:07,250 the questions of an avid astronomy lover 942 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:09,710 directly to an astronomer together 943 00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:11,810 Fraser and I explore what is known and 944 00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:13,340 being discovered about the universe 945 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:16,100 around us join us each week as we take a 946 00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:18,170 fact space journey through the cosmos at 947 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:31,789 and now we bring you an update of a 948 00:39:37,009 --> 00:39:34,170 story we brought you a few weeks ago 949 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:37,019 about a chiropractor who had just stood 950 00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:40,890 the back of a four day old baby and the 951 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,119 reason we know this happened is because 952 00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:45,119 the chiropractor kindly put this video 953 00:39:51,459 --> 00:39:48,390 up on YouTube for all to see this story 954 00:39:58,249 --> 00:39:51,469 has been picked up by the Daily Mail as 955 00:40:00,769 --> 00:39:58,259 published at ww Daily Mail co uk doctors 956 00:40:04,009 --> 00:40:00,779 condemn shocking video of a crying four 957 00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:04,019 day old baby having her back cracked by 958 00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:06,420 a chiropractor because she is suffering 959 00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:08,999 from colic video shows Australian 960 00:40:13,729 --> 00:40:11,190 chiropractic cracking a four day old 961 00:40:15,259 --> 00:40:13,739 babies back the chiropractor can be 962 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:15,269 heard explaining his treatment to the 963 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:18,089 parents he manipulates the tiny baby's 964 00:40:22,819 --> 00:40:20,670 body before a loud crack can be heard 965 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,829 other medical professionals have 966 00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:25,890 expressed concerns over the treatment by 967 00:40:30,099 --> 00:40:27,869 Freya noble published on the 968 00:40:33,049 --> 00:40:30,109 twenty-second of April 2016 an 969 00:40:35,449 --> 00:40:33,059 Australian chiropractor has posted a 970 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:35,459 confronting video of him cracking the 971 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:37,650 back of a crying baby at just four days 972 00:40:42,949 --> 00:40:40,529 old the chiropractor treats a range of 973 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,959 patient ailments including colic which 974 00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:44,400 the two week premature baby was 975 00:40:49,459 --> 00:40:46,859 suffering from at the time he posts many 976 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:49,469 videos of him treating patients to his 977 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:51,569 YouTube channel however this particular 978 00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:54,690 one has caused concern amongst doctors 979 00:40:59,689 --> 00:40:57,209 in this footage he is seen holding the 980 00:41:00,979 --> 00:40:59,699 baby girl wiggling her around as he 981 00:41:03,319 --> 00:41:00,989 talks to the parents through the 982 00:41:06,499 --> 00:41:03,329 adjustment he stretches out her tiny 983 00:41:08,689 --> 00:41:06,509 body and there is a loud crack followed 984 00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:08,699 by the crying from the little patient I 985 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:11,339 have to unfortunately just extend her a 986 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:14,089 little bit to get it in the right place 987 00:41:22,109 --> 00:41:18,570 that's Bobby sorry 988 00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:22,119 okay the chiropractor can then be heard 989 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:24,040 explaining the cause of their babies 990 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:27,070 distress and how his manipulation helped 991 00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:30,250 the child quote when you see the parents 992 00:41:34,829 --> 00:41:32,440 returned with these children they always 993 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:34,839 report that the child is just so much 994 00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:36,910 more comfortable they sleep so much 995 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,160 better they eat so much better end quote 996 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:40,960 he said in the video there is a 997 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:43,180 long-running debate between different 998 00:41:47,849 --> 00:41:44,710 treatments used by doctors and 999 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:47,859 chiropractors dr. Frank Jones President 1000 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:49,510 of the Royal Australian College of 1001 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:51,880 General Practitioners told the Daily 1002 00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:54,220 Mail Australia that it was a cruel 1003 00:42:01,079 --> 00:41:57,910 process quote well I think this was an 1004 00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:01,089 unnecessary and seemingly almost cruel 1005 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:03,580 process that there is actually no 1006 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,010 evidence to support and quote dr. Jones 1007 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:09,760 said quote why would you ever do that it 1008 00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:12,190 shouldn't be advertised it shouldn't be 1009 00:42:16,859 --> 00:42:14,950 practiced in quote dr. Jones said while 1010 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:16,869 there was quote mild to moderate and 1011 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:18,700 quote evidence that chiropractors were 1012 00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:21,010 successful in treating mechanical back 1013 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:23,230 pain treating anything else had no 1014 00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,080 scientific backing quote there is 1015 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:28,560 actually no evidence whatsoever that 1016 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:30,970 manipulating the spine makes any 1017 00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:32,710 difference to things such as colleague 1018 00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,080 or asthma and quote he said Melbourne 1019 00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:37,119 surgeon dr. John Cunningham who 1020 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:40,030 specializes in spines said he was 1021 00:42:44,849 --> 00:42:42,070 shocked to see someone adjusting the 1022 00:42:46,829 --> 00:42:44,859 spine of a newborn baby in February dr. 1023 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:46,839 Cunningham made a formal complaint to 1024 00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:48,690 the Australian healthcare practitioners 1025 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:55,000 regulation agency ahpra ahpra regulates 1026 00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,310 the chiropractic board and the surgeon 1027 00:43:03,180 --> 00:42:59,640 has called for the board to be sacked 1028 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:03,190 however the agency's CEO Martin felcher 1029 00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:05,470 who oversees the chiropractic board 1030 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,540 disagreed saying there was no need for 1031 00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:09,760 the board to be sacked and the quote 1032 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:11,950 high standards of chiropractic practice 1033 00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:14,530 are in place end quote Daily Mail 1034 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:16,630 Australia has contacted the chiropractor 1035 00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:19,450 in question for a comment and that story 1036 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:23,080 comes from Freya Noble at wal email co 1037 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:26,740 uk and for the full shocking video of 1038 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,930 the baby getting this so-called 1039 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:30,640 treatment you can check the show notes 1040 00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:31,930 for this week's episode 1041 00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:34,420 or simply Google doctors condemn 1042 00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:36,430 shocking video of crying four day old 1043 00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:39,340 baby that should do it and the ABC radio 1044 00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:41,260 here in Australia has covered this story 1045 00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:45,180 extensively on their background briefing 1046 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:47,860 program I'll add a link to the show 1047 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:49,870 notes but if you google background 1048 00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:54,100 briefing Cairo Wars chir oh you'll find 1049 00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,790 the page and download so you can 1050 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:00,160 download the entire 35 minute episode 1051 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:02,950 they've devoted to this issue it is well 1052 00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:24,150 today this is dr. Karl Karl Christmas 1053 00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,540 keep proud to be skeptic and you can 1054 00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:27,670 find out more about me at dr. Kyle calm 1055 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,300 wow what a show and my voice is almost 1056 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:52,560 gone I'm so excited about that show no 1057 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:55,470 I've not been exactly well over the last 1058 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:57,330 few weeks and this rotten infection is 1059 00:45:00,440 --> 00:44:58,890 still just hanging on there but 1060 00:45:01,730 --> 00:45:00,450 nevermind not all so this is you've had 1061 00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:01,740 a hell of a time of it lately to you 1062 00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:03,750 need a good lie down I do I need a good 1063 00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:05,790 another coffee or something yes I 1064 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:07,830 certainly met the kittens the kittens 1065 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:09,390 have been doing a lot of powerful work 1066 00:45:12,350 --> 00:45:11,250 and the Saunders household in fact I've 1067 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:12,360 got to say when I look at the two 1068 00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:14,370 kittens you've got hand and Mord they're 1069 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:15,540 actually doing more than you they're 1070 00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,190 really showing you up actually I saw 1071 00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:18,720 them upstairs on the computer doing some 1072 00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:20,190 googling earlier and they're amazing 1073 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:21,600 well I've taught them how to produce the 1074 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:23,370 show now they do they actually do the 1075 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:25,530 editing hmm I which saves a lot of time 1076 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:27,510 for me but you made a funny video with 1077 00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:30,570 the kittens I did I inadvertently did 1078 00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:32,220 kitten magic because I thought look 1079 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,140 people unbox stuff all the time let's 1080 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:36,240 unbox and kittens and it worked it 1081 00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:38,130 worked if you get a manor calm day you 1082 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:40,350 you can see me nerd and doing magic 1083 00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:42,510 tricks with the skeptics on kittens okay 1084 00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:44,520 look and until then I'll let you do the 1085 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:46,980 outro this is written this is may not 1086 00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:48,930 doing this is may not doing generic sign 1087 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:51,870 off Thank You reg not bad for this week 1088 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,670 standing outside the Henson pub here in 1089 00:46:02,660 --> 00:45:54,960 marrickville this is Richard Saunders 1090 00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:02,670 signing off this is too many kids you've 1091 00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:04,260 been listening to the skeptics own 1092 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:07,860 podcast visit our website at wwc a 1093 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:10,770 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 1094 00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,190 of all episodes since 2008 and our 1095 00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:16,920 online store please support the skeptic 1096 00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:18,830 zone by following us on twitter at 1097 00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:21,990 skeptic zone liking us on facebook and 1098 00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,620 leaving a review on iTunes you can also 1099 00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:27,780 show your support by subscribing via 1100 00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:30,980 paypal for as little as 99 cents a week 1101 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:33,750 the skeptic zone is an independent 1102 00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:35,370 production the views and opinions 1103 00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,800 expressed on the skeptic zone and not